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The current Ship modding system does to put it subjectively blunt s**k.

Now as the strong language is out of the way here my points and reasoning after 3 hours save scumming attempting to mode weapon damage on a single weapon of a Theseus.

I see the mod system as one of the most promising subsystems with a high satisfaction rate just not as it is now.

The current full RNG method does not fit in a game with the possibility of a player to accumulate hundreds if not thousands of ships there is a complete disconnect between achievable and urgency to interact with it on a broader level beyond the odd Player Hero Ship.

The System as it is now fits a Single entity low object to modify game system like X:Rebirth or all to common garden variety looter shooter or looter in general it does not fit a massive scale game like X4 how it is implemented in the current version.

Alone the fact that the player accumulated countless components over time for modifications more then ever could be of use and still is capable to re-roll just by save scumming removes for once the urgency and actual reward of gathering the components.

The sheer amount of potential objects to modify on a player universe scale is completely daunting and unappealing to carry through.
And the fact that the system final interaction is to push a button to spin the proverbial wheel of RNG is unrewarding.

This and the fact that you have to unlock the HQ to even think about the most basic modifications results in players to not care or even know that it is a possibility.

So my points and i know it could end in a lot of work.

Make basic (green mods) available right from the start.
Allow mods to be crafted before they are installed
Have finished mods as reward option to give players a preview of what is possible
Remove the RNG in the mod process
Replace the variable strength of a mod by spending more resources (not money)
split mods in more meaning full groups like equipment modification and actual ship altering modifications that are visible to the player
Add the option to produce mods to specifications
Add the option to bulk produce mods to specifications
Add the option to add mods to ship build templates
Add a whole new industry branch to the game that is centered around mods (tie in for Crystal mining and Nividium etc.)

Those are just a few things that came to my mind after hours of modding ships.

Changes like this would result in the system to be fully transparent to the player and add another layer of game play to be participated or not to be exploited as a business or not.
Having more avenues of long and short term mechanics can only help the game and the franchise in general.

Of course i don't know how others feel about it or even care but i would love to read any opinion pro or contra as i am of the opinion the system needs changed.

ow-attention combat is bugged and needs fixing as it leads to exploints and very different balance between weapons when IS or OOS.

1. Turrets are destroyed in OOS combat way fast. Modding community found from tests out that the damage is being applied in its 100% to turrets first and with 100% accuracy. This renders all ships with destructible turrets useless very quickly. Buffing HP of the turrets does not help with it either, they are destroyed very fast anyway.

2. Another major one - DPS is applied in its full to hull, even if it should be shield-damage only. This makes Ion guns the most damaging weapons in OOS.

3. Smaller one - from my tests i did not find a correlation between damage/accuracy of the weapon and its rotation speed/travel speed. SO that a gun with fast projectile hits the target with the same accuracy as with veeery slow projectile. Can this be clarified if its really not used in calculation?

4. Missiles are not consumed in OOS, this makes ships with missile turrets (i look at you Odysseys) very imbalanced. Limited ammo was though as the biggest drawback of the missile turrets, but without its application they are clearly imbalanced.

This also makes game hard to mod, as any new cool weapon idea I come up with breaks due to mentioned bugs.

In the current game Pulse M and L Turrets and Guns are the best all-round weapon of course they sacrifice a lot of damage for almost no heat build up good range great tracking nothing bringing more pulse to a fight can't solve.

Bolt is the second best for Ai better in player hands but there is no L Turret Option.

Shard as turret is useless because of the range as everything you want to shot back at out ranges you but it has merit as front mounted gun and the AoE/splash damage.

Plasma turrets are a hard sell good range bullet speed to slow tracking abysmal Ai has a hard time hitting even stationary targets while on the move point blank as gun tho the bullet speed is still a problem that should be looked into but it is supposed okish to fight big and slow targets.

But look at beams ridicules heath build up even if you game the cool down mechanic and perfectly time the release of the trigger inferior range mediocre to bad damage over time ok tracking for M and L Turrets beams need a range buff bad or a damage increase preferred something in the middle.

7km and 5km Beams with the same dps for L and M or 6km and 5km with a bump in dps either as a mix of better heath management or flat damage.

This is all based on how combat behaves and unites compare to each other.

P.S. what was the reasoning to have the Xenon L Pulse turrets have 3 times the damage of the commonwealth counter part while also having a 1km range advantage yet the M Xenon Pulse turrets is more reasonable and just does 2/3rd of the commonwealth counter part while also benefit from a 1km range advantage?

For all NPCs, the only skills that matter are their primary skill and Morale.
The primary skill of pilots and captains is Piloting.
The primary skill of managers is Management.
The primary skill of service personnel is Engineering.
The primary skill of marines is Boarding.

The primary skill of an NPC can be combined with that NPC's morale to form the combined skill of the NPC. The relevance of each particular skill in relation to the NPC's combined skill differs depending on the NPC's current position. The relevance of these skills in determining combined skill is defined in roles.xml and posts.xml.

The various combined skills of the pilots and service personnel crewing a ship can further be combined to form the combined skill of the ship. 70/30 split in favor of the pilot's skill.

Various activities use different skills or combined skills.

As discussed a couple of posts above, the maximum range of trading ships and mining ships subordinate to a station depend on the primary skill of the ship's pilot or the station's manager, whichever is higher. Please do not take this to mean that these are the only activities that use individual skills of individual people, there are more.
Some activities such as deciding whether crew members of a ship might bail only take NPCs' morale into account.
Some activities (very few now) take the combined skill of individual NPCs.
And most activities now use the ship's combined skill.

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