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#53375
Paddock club boxlátogatás csak azoknak szól, akiket a csapatok meghívtak a paddockba vendégként. Ja, pénzért is bemehetsz oda: http://www.f1corporate.com/content/formula-one-paddock-club
Röpke 3150 ajró a jegy hétvégére a paddock clubba.
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jefferson83 #53374 Mi az, hogy gondolkodik? Meg is érdemli a sorsát, ha nem óvja meg a dolgot. Még akkor is, ha nem számíthat más eredményre, végig kell menni a szamárlétrán a lehetséges jogorvoslatért. A szándék és az akarat a fontos. -
#53373
Vigyázz, mert feljelentelek zaklatásért! 
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#53372
Erről a Fisco-Alonso hétvégi boxutcás jelenet jut eszembe, amivel Fernando esélyesként jött vissza a pályára. Akkor persze minden okés volt ... -
WNW #53371 Apropo Haug, meg a valosag.. Tegnap DTM futam volt, es a Mercik olyan lassuak voltak, hogy az Audik tolatva eloztek oket.. De a lenyeg.. Schneider megprobalta beelozni a boxbol kijovo Kristensent az elso kanyarban.. Azzal kezdte, hogy szepen megtolta a feneket, es igy kerult melle.. Ezek utan Kristensen egybol kapcsolt, szepen ramaszott a Mercire, a kov. kanyarig egymas aerodinamikai elemeit lekaristolva lokdosodtek el, ahol mar az Audi volt bellul.. Most jott Haug, aki egybol felpanaszolta, hogy ez nem volt fair megmozdulas, mert Kristensen lokdoste Schneidert.. Vissza a riporterekhez, akik egybol megjegyeztek, hogy hat Schneider kezdte, megerdemelte a sorsat..:) -
WNW #53370 Valami tomor lenyeg az angol szovegbol, mert ez nekem mar sok..:) -
#53369
A Ferrari az óvás gondolatával játszadozik az FIA csütörtöki döntése után - a Mercedes vezérigazgatója Norbert Haug továbbra is nyugodt -
#53368
Tud valaki a hétvégével kapcsolatban olyan infokat, hogy ha a hétvégi programban az van:
"Forma 1 Paddock Club Boxlátogatás", oda csak Paddock-Clubbosok mehetnek be, vagy akinek van aznapra jegye?
Egyáltalán be lehet-e menni csütörtök kivételével is a boxba más napokon, vagy sem?
Az "érvényes GP jeggyel" az azt jelenti, hogy vasárnapi versenyre (vagy háromnaposra) szóló jeggyel, vagy be lehet menni mondjuk csak pénteki vagy szombati jeggyel is? -
G_ArchAngel #53367 HBD Fernando Alonso, remélem Dennis bácsi enged egy kis pezsgőzést:) -
#53366
Tömören, a FIA idióta volt, és még ma is következetesen az:D -
#53365
jah és én biciklivel indulok -
#53364
akkor grat a FIA-nak,ilyen erővel én is rendezhetnék vmi autóversenyt az utcába...,holnap valaki gyrsulni?,1 sávos az utca de így izgibb 
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jefferson83 #53363 Egyszóval: semmi. -
#53362
Én a helyedben nem ugrálnék... -
#53361
most akkor mi lett?két hét kimaradás volt nálam,és nem tudom mi a helyzet -
#53360
Esti olvasnivaló, angolosok előnyben, érdekes. -
#53359
Why McLaren Got Off The FIA Charges
Saturday 28th July 2007
Though McLaren's FIA hearing in Paris is over, the Stepneygate spying row is far from finished. And judging from Ferrari boss Jean Todt's subsequent 'Cold Light of Day' statement put out by Ferrari, the Italian marque are certainly not finished with it.
So why did the FIA find McLaren guilty yet fail to impose a sanction? The answer may lie back in the events of 1994.
For those yet to get their heads behind the row a brief summary. Long-time Ferrari employee, Englishman Nigel Stepney was passed over for promotion when his boss, Ross Brawn, the highly successful technical chief of Ferrari decided to go on a year's sabbatical. Stepney vented his frustrations in an Autosport interview early in 2007- something rarely heard in F1 (yet heard all the time in football).
Then news hit the press of a sabotage attempt within the Ferrari team involving a "strange white powder" that had been found near the cars prior to them being shipped off to Monaco. What has come to light subsequently is that McLaren chief designer Mike Coughlan was caught in possession of a 780-page technical dossier on the Ferrari 2007 car - believed to have been supplied by Stepney.
Though the majority of the information could only be applied to building a 2008 car from scratch, Ferrari allege that certain aspects of it, such as the brake balance system and knowledge of their movable floor device have assisted McLaren's championship challenge. The Maranello-based team had found a way of circumventing the flexible floor test - allowing it to move and become more aerodynamically efficient when put under load. It was an effective cheat on the principal behind the rules - i.e. it broke the rules but passed the test put in place to prevent moveable floors.
After a highly successful opening grand prix a suspicious McLaren asked the FIA for a clarification of the rules. The FIA realised that the test they used wasn't strenuous enough, and at the next grand prix all of a sudden Ferrari's car was significantly slower. Jean Todt maintains that the McLaren team were given a tip-off from their estranged employee in March and subsequently Mike Coughlan was handed the 780-page dossier in Spain.
These details would have remained hidden had it not been for the fact that Coughlan's wife took the dossier to a photo-copying shop in Woking and an eagle-eyed employee realised what was happening and contacted Ferrari.
An important element is that Nigel Stepney and Mike Coughlan had already approached embattled Honda boss Nick Fry with a view to working for the team in 2008. When Coughlan's name was put in the public domain in connection with the leaked dossier it took Fry two days to come forward and admit that he had talked to them both. Whereas before it had looked like a case of a disaffected Ferrari employee tring to help his rivals, now it looked like a new move for the pair of them.
McLaren's hearing in Paris this week has been to find out how much the team knew about Coughlan's possession of Ferrari technical data, when he had it, and if they have used that knowledge to their advantage. Mclaren have already invited the FIA to inspect their car and see if any of the technology from the 2007 Ferrari has been incorporated into their car.
Jean Todt believes that McLaren were given documents which allowed them to challenge the validity of his car in Melbourne - i.e. that they dishonestly obtained evidence against a dishonest device. Facing a World Motor Sport Council which rules across a number of motorsport disciplines it's difficult to understand why he thought this was a winning argument. Jean comes from a rallying background and will have known about the Toyota 1995 air restrictors, where the 1995 Toyota WRC team deliberately machined parts to give them an advantage but disguised that advantage so the cars passed scrutineering. They were thrown out of the 1995 championship and banned from racing in 1996. Had another team got that information from a Toyota mole there was no likely action going to be taken against them, such was the FIA anger at the subterfuge. So why was it going to change given the same FIA president?
Ferrari themselves have managed to get McLaren technical equipment banned thanks to other people's intervention. In 1997 Darren Heath's sensational photographs of the McLaren brake/steer device gave Ferrari the evidence they needed to have it banned (after it had been passed as legal by the FIA technical delegate). To get these he went on track to the retired McLaren of David Coulthard and stuck his camera into the footwell.
And Ferrari, it now turns out, are not above spying themselves. Former Ferrari driver Mika Salo told Finnish newspaper Ilta Sanomat: "When I was driving for Ferrari (in 1999) we always spied on McLaren, listening to their radio traffic. After every practice session I had in front of me, on paper, all the discussions Mika Hakkinen had had with his engineer." (Though Ferrari have prompted him to amend this quote to emphasise that all the eavesdropping was accidental due to radio interference).
Going into the FIA meeting a great many motorsport fans around the world knew some of the content of Mike Coughlan's sworn High Court affidavit. Coughlan is not what legal counsel would call an independent witness to the events, he's antagonistic. The minute he decided to team up with Nigel Stepney and go and speak to the Honda team about a job he revealed that - despite his senior position - he was not particularly happy at McLaren. The fact that he didn't dare take the 780-page dossier to work to have it photo-copied points to the fact that either McLaren had seen it and told him to get rid of it, or that they never saw it in the first place. (But probably the former).
Coughlan's evidence about McLaren has been undermined by his desire to go and work for somebody else, just as Stepeney's would have been if he revealed (or goes on to reveal) embarrassing secrets about Ferrari's past after his ominous quote to the Sunday Times; "I know where the bodies are buried."
Prior to the hearing and in advance of all the court action in England and Italy, there have been constant, almost daily leaks to the Italian press revealing details and allegations surrounding the story. The worst of these has been from Mike Coughlan's sworn affidavit to the High Court - the document should be highly confidential.
It seems that the desire to get the facts out into the public domain and put McLaren in a bad light has run ahead of the desire to individually punish the two men involved. Because now there must be a serious risk that Stepney and Coughlan canot get fair trials because of all the prior media coverage - details that should only have been revealed in court.
Max Mosley has never been someone to be steered into a decision. Countless officials at the European Union commission will attest to that. If the FIA have given McLaren an easy ride over 'Stepneygate' then the constant leaking of information to fuel the story will not have been to Ferrari's advantage. It appears that rather than keep quiet and prosecute the individuals concerned the Scuderia have been keen to publicise the case and embroil McLaren as much as they can. They have been active publicists of the affair, which has cast F1 in a bad light.
This is where 1994 comes in. At the end of Michael Schumacher's first World Championship season his Benetton car was found to have illegal traction control software on it. So what was that doing there? The logical process would have been to sling the team, the technical staff and the car out of F1. The FIA decided that they could not prove it had been used through the season - despite complex photographic evidence from the French GP - and hence team boss Flavio Briatore and tech director Ross Brawn were allowed to continue in F1. What the FIA didn't want in the year that Ayrton Senna was killed and there was an alleged deliberate accident, Schumi taking Damon Hill out of the final race in Adelaide, was more bad news.
So they said the case was not proven and left it at that. Had they applied the same argument as they did a year later to Toyota in the WRC, then who knows where we would have been.
It's interesting to hear Flavio Briatore play up to an Italian media and say he is "baffled" by the decision not to punish McLaren when they had been found guilty. Yet in 1994 his team were found to have done something far more pro-active than receiving unsolicited documents, the Benetton team had put software on the car that was illegal. And nothing much happened then. So it's hard to know why he's so baffled. The neat irony of course is that both Nigel Stepney and Mike Coughlan worked together at Benetton.
McLaren have received a severe warning - a suspended sentence - and they'll have to be good boys for the rest of this season and a fair few to come. For Ferrari to say that their possession of Ferrari documents has helped McLaren substantially, is open to a very large debate.
The loss of Ferrari's handy rule bend/illegal car (depending on which viewpoint you come from) has made a difference, but by how much? The post-Melbourne press releases put out by teams who had to change their floors said the change would have very little effect. So were they all lying?
Whether Todt and Montezemolo are justified in calling for another team to have sanctions brought against them for receiving that tip-off remains to be seen. On past evidence Max Mosley doesn't react well to someone flying in the face of carefully considered FIA deliberations and there may well be further ructions to come. He doesn't take being called "dishonest" lightly.
Ferrari's biggest bugbear this year has been reliability and the points they lost from two Raikkonen retirements, a Felipe Massa stall in GB and his Canadian GP disqualification. These have all been self-inflicted. However no-one doubts their supreme technical ability and the tide of progress (the tight twisty Hungaroring aside) of the 2007 car's development still looks likely to give them the last laugh.
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Zóanagyvarázsló #53358 Azt azért tegyük hozzá, hogy ez ugyanaz a megynyílvánulása, ami már volt itt a linkelve.
Itt az eredeti, angol nyelvű, 27-ei hír:
autosport.com
Szóval remélem, ha a hétfői Blikk lehozza, nem emlegetitek fel még egyszer, hogy Todt csak panaszkodni tud :) -
#53357
Kedd: de izgi:)
Hétfő: de izgi:)
Vasárnap: Jean Todt: továbbra sem nyugszik
Szombat: Jean Todt: szerint a McLaren képmutató
Péntek: Jean Todt: Ez szégyen! -
#53356
Jean Todt továbbra sem nyugszik
"A Ferrari csapatfőnöke, Jean Todt felfedte, hogy nem sokkal a kémbotrány kirobbanása előtt, a McLaren és a maranellói alakulat megállapodást írt alá a kettejük közötti jobb kapcsolat kialakításának reményében. A francia képmutatónak nevezte az angol csapatot, amiért az csúnyán megszegte az egyezséget."
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#53355
Én kifejezetten örültem annak, hogy minél előbb elkezdődik az F1:( -
lampard99 #53354 Az előzetes tervekkel ellentétben, a 2008-as idényben nem éjszaka, hanem délután rendezik meg a Forma-1-es világbajnokság Ausztrál Nagydíját - jelentette be a szervezőbizottság egyik tagja hétfőn.
A Forma-1 elsőszámú vezetője, Bernie Ecclestone még májusban vetette fel az éjszakai futam ötletét, hogy minél több európai szurkoló követhesse Ausztrál GP-t. A melbournei versenyt szponzoráló állami kormányzat nem zárkózott el a gondolattól, ám a nagydíjnak helyet adó Albert Park igazgatója, Ron Walker kizárta az éjszakai futam lehetőségét. "Egyelőre úgy látjuk, hogy előnytelen lenne egy ilyen esemény lebonyolítása" - mondta Walker. Hozzátette, 14 óra helyett valószínűleg délután fél négykor fog kezdődni a futam, hogy az európai nézőknek se hajnalban kelljen a képernyő elé ülniük.
A Forma-1 kormányzó testülete úgy határozott, hogy 2008-ban március 13. és 16-a között rendezik az Ausztrál Nagydíjat. -
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#53353
Es milyen latvanyos lett a lassulas is miutan lebuktak :D -
#53352
Most már így elég feltűnő, hogy Ausztrália után mennyire feléledt a McLaren... Kiváncsi vagyok Ferrari tervrajzok nélkül hol tartanának. -
#53351
Az a gyorsabb aki nyer ! ;)))
Jelen pillanatban elég durva verseny van , egyszer ez a jobb , utána a másik .... -
#53350
No ennek fuss még1szer neki. -
Zóanagyvarázsló #53349 Nyögi a Ferrari a Monaco-Montreal-Indianapolis tengelyt is, ezeken a futamokon nem volt túl versenyképes. Igaz, USA-ban Kiminek már voltak jó körei a futamon. -
#53348
A Ferrari csak a megbízhatatlanságának köszönheti hátrányát, mert szó sincs arról, hogy a Meki gyorsabb lenne... -
DJ BP #53347 Arról nem beszélve hogy bennem piszkosul munkálkodik az hogy ha egy kiscsapatról lenne szó, akkor az olyan eltíltást kapna hogy csak zörög.
..és útálom ha a szabályok nem egyenlően vonatkoznak az érintettekre.
Igaz, pl. mit csináltak a Hondával? Egy sz*ros benzintank miatt ugye -
DJ BP #53346 aki bűnös az büntetést kap,viszont ők NEM kaptak még ha 10x akkora betűmérettel írod le,hogy bűnösök akkor sem.
Épp ez a röhej, bűnösök és nem kaptak büntetést, ugye micsoda paradoxon? :) -
#53345
regi persze.. ujakrol nem talaltam :)
de aki szereti az tok mindegy milyen, igy is ugy is szereti a kocsit.
majd ha lesz uj festessel megaldott kepem felpakolom. -
#53344
Te jó ég, én meg hallgatok mindenféle rádióadásokat a közvetítésbe', kém lettem-kém lettem, és franc se tudta..és még jó se' jártam :))))) -
#53343
Ezt mindenki csinalta anno, a boxok elott fenykepeztek az autokat es a radio adasokba hallgattak bele.
Ez nem ujdonsag.
Mondjuk azert nem egy kategoria, a titkos iratok ellopasaval es birtoklasaval. :D -
#53342
nekem is megvan még a jegyem ....... a 2005-ös V10-es -
baca01 #53341 hmmmmm nekem már megvan a jegyem jövő7-re....silver 
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WNW #53340 Ezt mind csinalta, raadasul nem is voltak titkositva a radiobeszelgetesek, az hallgatta aki akarta.. Ha jol tudom egyedul a Ferrarinal volt az elmult evekben olyan kutyu beepitve, ami kodolta a beszelgeteseket... -
jefferson83 #53339 thx 
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jefferson83 #53338 Kezdődik az igazi sárdobálás: Ferrari is kémkedett? -
#53337
eu-ba nincs cigireklám ezek régi képek -
#53336
BMW-s nincs?