A topikban a személyeskedés, trollkodás nem elfogadott. A téma a magyar őstörténelem!
Mindenki szíveskedjen forrást, bizonyítást bemutatni az érvelésénél. (az értelmetlen vitákat kiküszöböli)
Akit sérelem ért, az lehetőleg ne álljon le vitázni a másik féllel, hanem írjon nekem (Zenty) privát üzenetet.
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ahddub #1548 badarság, 300 évekre meg lehet határozni egy mutációt! nézzük az r1b -t.
r-r1 és r2,r1-r1a és b, r1b pedig tovább bontva :
M18
R1b1a (R1b1a)
11,000 ybp
Levant, Sardinia Phoenician, Druze
M73
R1b1b1 (R1b1b)
9,500 ybp
Central Asia Tocharian
M269
R1b1b2 (R1b1c)
9,500 ybp
Western Europe Italo-Celto-Anatolian
L23/S141
R1b1b2a
7,000 ybp
Western Europe Italo-Celto-Anatolian
L11/S127, P311/S128, P310/S129
R1b1b2a1
5,000 ybp
Western Europe Italo-Celto-Germanic
M405/S21/U106
R1b1b2a1a (R1b1c9)
3,000 ybp
Frisia, Benelux, England, Austria, northern Italy West Germanic (Frisian, Anglo-Saxon, Lombard)
M467/S29/U198
R1b1b2a1a1 (R1b1c9b)
1,800 ybp
Southern England + northern Germany Germanic (Anglo-Saxon)
P107
R1b1b2a1a2
1,800 ybp
Germanic
L1/S26
R1b1b2a1a3 (R1b1c9a)
1,800 ybp
Southern & eastern England, Norway, southern Germany, and Spain Germanic
L48
R1b1b2a1a4
Germanic
L44 => L47
R1b1b2a1a4a
Germanic
L5
R1b1b2a1a5
1,800 ybp
Germanic
L6
R1b1b2a1a6
1,800 ybp
Germanic
P312/S116
R1b1b2a1b
4,500 ybp
Western Europe Italo-Celtic
M65
R1b1b2a1b1 (R1b1c2)
3,500 ybp
Basque country Basque
M153
R1b1b2a1b2 (R1b1c4)
3,350 ybp
Basque country and Gascony Basque
M167/SRY2627
R1b1b2a1b3 (R1b1c6)
2,850 ybp
Spain (esp. Catalonia), Western France, Cornwall, Wales Basque, Catalan, Gascon, Breton, Cornish
S28/U152
R1b1b2a1b4 (R1b1c10)
3,500 ybp
Rhine & Meuse region, Alps, northern Italy Alpine Celts (Hallstatt-La Tène), Italics
M126
R1b1b2a1b4a (R1b1c3)
2,500 ybp
Found in Germany, England and Ireland Celtic
M160
R1b1b2a1b4b (R1b1c5)
2,000 ybp
Found in Germany and Switzerland Alpine Celtic
L2/S139
R1b1b2a1b4c
2,500 ybp
Found in Italy, Germany, Belgium, Britain, Ireland, Norway Alpine Celtic
L20/S144
R1b1b2a1b4c1
1,800 ybp
Found in England, France and Italy Alpine Celtic
M228
R1b1b2a1b4c1a
Found in northern Italy Alpine Celtic
L3
R1b1b2a1b4c2
Found in Germany and England Alpine Celtic
L4
R1b1b2a1b4d
Found in Latvia and Poland
S68
R1b1b2a1b5 (R1b1c11)
3,500 ybp
Sweden and Scotland Germanic
L21/S145
R1b1b2a1b6
4,000 ybp
Ireland, Britain, France, Germany Celtic, Brythonic, Gaelic
M37
R1b1b2a1b6a (R1b1c1)
3,000 ybp
Ireland, Britain, France, Germany Celtic
M222
R1b1b2a1b6b (R1b1c7)
3,000 ybp
North-west Ireland and west Scotland Scottish Irish
P66
R1b1b2a1b6c (R1b1c8)
2,500 ybp
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L7
R1b1b2a1b7
? ?
L8
R1b1b2a1b8
? ?
L9, L10
R1b1b2a1b9
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