Heroes of Newerth

Akit esetleg érdekelnek a magyar meccsek eredményei, replay stb itt megtekinthetõek:
Hun game 1
Hun game 2

Asszem ott van hogy meg a grafika nem vegleges, bar naagyon reggel neztem. Egyebkent jo lett az uj kraken. Engi turretet nezted? Szerintem inkabb nerf mint buff. Az uj mapon a tornyok meg teleportok. 😄

új kraken ulti elvileg😊

Így világos?

"slither körül 360 fokban hat" wtf

Elsõ skilljérõl beszélek én is..

<#fejvakaras><#falbav> elsõ skilljérõl beszélt, nem az ultijáról

Igen, kipróbáltam a skill kb 2-3 creephossznyi távolsában slither körül 360 fokban hat. Sztem ez nem bug, mindössze így adták meg a skill koordinátáit. A jó öreg Behemot fissurja is ilyen ügye, bár más kérdés hogy õ kap is erre külön skillt.

nem vettem még észre ilyen bugot, de pl. múltkor panaszkodtam hogy arma spray-i nem sebeznek mindig hiába állok szinte a szájába az ellennek vagy a creepnek, szerencsére javították, ha ilyen problémád van forumon közzéteheted😛
az meg hogy vannak "halálos" kombók nem újdonság lol. 1v2-be meg pláne😊

hát ilyet én még nem basztam... slither bugos... de nem is gyengén... a spray tök más fele castolodik mint ahova kattintok. elore kattintok es oldalra castolja. armadon es nemyphora ellen soloztam, mivel tok masfele ment ez a varazslat, ezert az elejen a nymphora stun es az armadon passive dmg megolt, amint elkattintottak, es szetfeedeltem. komolyan, 5 eve jatszom a dota+hon kombot, ilyet meg nem basztam. armadon es nymphora ellen nem tudtam semmit sem csinalni. egyszeruen annyira sokat sebez ez a kombo igy ketten, hogy kinyirtak. es ilyen durva bug, hogy tok masfele megy a spray, mint ahova kattintasz. ez nem hiszem el, hogy csak nekem tunt fel. persze anyazott mindenki, hogy noob, de senkinek sem tunt meg fel?

igen, de ez megint egy érdekes, mert furion portról elõbb lehetett tudni mint a sniperrõl, mégis portolták...
de ezzel az erõvel semmilyen herot ne csináljanak, mert azért a skillek zömét már ellõtték a dotában...

jah vicces, sajnos a dotás jelenlegi hõsökbe már le vagyok maradva, de itt írta a srác a Thundra-t is példaképp a 3. skilljét ugye megváltoztatták
ez itt eléggé wtf:
"why S2 can so confidently port over heroes, but yet cannot port Tundra's new aura...it is outside the period that they can rightfully copy.
"
#3505
egyszerûen a pénzrõl szól, gondolom azt akarják ezzel elérni, hogy az õ játékuk legyen a top, oda menjenek minél többen stb... magyarul ki akarnak baszni pl. az s2-vel.
Valahol egy dev írta fórumon, hogy a HoN-t a "niche" rétegnek készítik nem pedig mindenféle fanboinak akik icefrogot ugye a világ másik végére is követnék, merthát õ ennek a szarnak a kiötlõje LoL.

De valoszinueleg furion port mostanaban nem jon.

Azt nem vagom hogy ugye levedik a dota nevet, az oke. De a modellek hangok spell effectek a blizzard tulajdona, es azt amugy se tudjak levedeni hogy egy hosnek milyen kepessegei vannak.

mit izélnek ennyire? tök újat akar csinálni nem? akkor meg mi a gond.

lényegében nagyon tömören jogi vitákról van szó, elviekben nem nagyon lesznek fullcopy portok, mivel levédték/levédik valve által a dotát (karakterek/itemek/stb...)...
egy srác kifejtette a gondolatait összerakott pár dolgot innen onnan, hogy ki mit nyilatkozott stb... de sajnos van valóságalapja.
De ez a mondat a lényeg szerintem: "He worked on HoN for 3 years, but now that he's left he wants to take back everything which he sees as his."- Icefrog

magyarul?<#idiota>

ja olvastam, érdekes. Kiváncsi vagyok a közeli jõvõben hogy alakulnak a dolgok ezzel kapcsolatban.

úgyse történik a fórumon semmi érdekes úgyhogy beillesztem Wall of text incoming... érdemes elolvasni...

I'm sure pretty much all of you are aware of recent rumours that have been going around the internet regarding Icefrog and his potential involvement with HoN. If not then here is first a quick history.

On or around the 15th June 2009, the Heroes of Newerth beta was announced to the general public.

On the 16th June 2009, Icefrog defended HoN and the fact that the game was apparently a copy of dota with this statement:


Quote:
"They contacted me a few years ago to ask if I had any objections to them doing a game heavily based on DotA, which I didn't. I don't really mind all these new games (6 total now I think), competition is a good thing in the long run. I will still work hard to develop and improve DotA on WC3 for everyone that is still interested in it."

This single statement pacified a few players, but the majority still cultivated hatred for S2, dismissing HoN as nothing more than a copy/paste dota.

All went quiet from Icefrog until, on the 5th October 2009, he issued this statement:

Icefrog working at Valve

Needless to say people were excited. A new standalone Dota game made by Icefrog, what's not to love? "It'll definitely be better than that shameless copy." Was the general consensus.

So the months went by, irrational hatred of HoN grew, until on the 20th July 2010, Emperor (Brized) came out with this statement:

Icefrog actually worked for S2

Now of course people were sceptical. Why wouldn't they be? This is a big statement to make from a person who didn't appear to have much to lose, and by itself would most likely have been dismissed as rumour. Pendragon changed that.

A letter from Pendragon

Now, anyone who followed the whole Dota Allstars/Playdota story, would know that there is no love lost between Icefrog and Pendragon. However Pendragon, unlike Emperor, appears to have a hell of a lot more to lose if it is discovered that these statements are not true. He is putting, not just his reputation, but also Riots reputation on the line by making this statement. As such, from what I have gathered, the large proportion of LoL players believe Pendragon to be telling the truth.

After this statement was made, another rumour came out that, apparently, Icefrog made a donation in 2007 to Ron Pauls election campaign. In the process, listing his employer as Marc Deforest. Maliken to you and I. This could very well have been false, but this is still the history section so needs to be mentioned. I will not however post the link to this information as, if true, it gives Icefrogs real name. He's wanted to remain anonomous all these years for a reason and I'm not about to ruin that for him.

Right up to the present day, neither Icefrog nor S2 have commented on these rumours outside of a single 'joke' post and info outside the forums which were all removed very quickly.

Finally on the 6th and 9th August, respectively, both Valve and Riot Games have filed for ownership of the trademark, DotA. As to who will prevail in such a claim? It is still up for debate.


Now to my musings. From this point onwards these are my own thoughts, I could be completely off the mark here, and I do not expect that S2 will comment on any of this. Nor do I expect to convince anyone else, your thoughts are your own, so I encourage you to make up your own minds. Nor is this an attempt to flame Icefrog. He has garnered a lot of respect, I know, and I apologise right now if any of this comes across as an attack.


I personally believe at this point that Icefrog worked for S2 games in and around the period of August 2006 to July 2009.

He didn't just give S2 games permission to develop HoN. He was hired by them to make it into the true successor of Dota. A standalone game, not limited by the WC3 engine.

During this period of employment, Icefrog continued to develop Dota at the behest and funding of S2. It's no secret that S2 are big fans of Dota, so this is understandable. I also believe that this was part of his contract, including that his employment be kept a secret.

On the other side of the coin though, S2 games then gained the rights to a period of Dota's development. In particular the 3 years he worked for them, most likely even stretching a little before and after he left. Hence why S2 can so confidently port over heroes, but yet cannot port Tundra's new aura...it is outside the period that they can rightfully copy.

For those who haven't noticed, it has been many months since S2 actually copied the latest changes made to dota. When in beta, these changes would be introduced, sometimes even before, they went live in Dota. Something has changed, and I believe that the reason is not because Icefrog asked them to stop, but rather the period from which S2 games can copy changes has been passed.

As to why Icefrog then left S2 games at the start of the beta, the reasons are mostly conjecture, but the one that makes the most sense to me is that he didn't work well in a team and grew frustrated over not having complete control over HoN's development. 3 month's later he is working for Valve heading up a team to make a new DotA. Complete control in the job description.

Moving on to Valve and their attempts to trademark DotA. I believe, and this is purely based on impressions I have gotten from people who very clearly want to say something but can't, that Valve want more than the ownership of the name. They want ownership of the heroes, items, etc. This I also think is largely in part to Icefrogs involvement. He worked on HoN for 3 years, but now that he's left he wants to take back everything which he sees as his. Contractual obligations be damned.

As such, I also believe that they have recently contacted S2 games requesting/demanding that they stop porting heroes/items from DotA and challenging their right to even do so in the first place. Hence why Furion has suddenly been shelved.

We all know how much money is required to develop any hero (be it port or original). For those that don't it's about 30k. So to suddenly stop developing a hero, mid way through, possibly even close to completion is very strange, and financially not sensible. Unless if they are awaiting certain clarifications and judgements before they can continue with the work.

Now if all of this is true, then technically S2 games could own at least 3 years of Dota development as one of their employees was working on it during that time. Which means that if anyone has a right to the heroes it is S2 and not Valve. It is even feasible that some of the changes made to DotA in that period were actually ideas put forward from other staff members, not just Icefrog.

If this is true then S2 is owed an apology from the DotA community that they will likely never receive.


I cannot stress enough how this is what I believe to be happening. I could be well off the mark but getting it down allows me to clear it up in my head and at least here we can debate and pick it apart.

One thing I can be certain of however is that S2 games are contractually prevented from speaking about any of this. Any time any info from S2 staff is released regarding this matter it is swiftly erased. The employees desperately want to tell us everything, but cannot, so it is up to us to 'join the dots' so to speak.

As a final point. I do not see S2 as the bad guys in any of this. They have worked incredibly hard to deliver a game which has given me more value for money than any game I have ever played...and at half the cost of regular releases. It saddens me to see how they are constantly vilified and I hope that one day the truth about all of this may come out. HoN is a great game and it, nor S2, deserves the baseless bashing that a lot (even on these very forums) give it on a daily basis.

TLDR: Read the full post you lazy sod!

ETLDR: Only joking. Icefrog worked for S2 games, S2 owns rights to use atleast 3 years of dota's development however they wish, Valve/Icefrog is trying to claim these rights for themselves.

mik várhatóak a patchben:
- gauntlet buff
- chronos nerf
- engi buff
- kraken rework , szvsz így elég használható lesz teamfightokban
- deadwood rework annyira nem tetszik, de majd meglátjuk élesben
- darkwood vale-t kiszedik, helyette egy másik pálya lesz - map editort megint nem kapunk :S

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pénz van meg , meg egy wowos ember.

hja értelek, teljesen jó ötlet
megvan hozzá az erõforrásod/szervered/embered/stb. ?

csapat random ellen nagy cucc.

melyik mmo?

hosszútávon igen , rövidtávon más forrásból. wow , hon , jön egy magyar nyelvû mmorpg is lassan. nyitott vagyok. igazából a lényeg az , hogy nem funból lesz csinálva hanem a profitért/reklámért.

nem<#ticking><#duhos2>

Még nem láttad ms pudingot?😄DDDDDDD

mivanitt zomg<#duma><#mf1>

igen ezek jobban mennek
csak HON-nal foglalkozó portál lesz, vagy annál több? reklámból gondoltad, hogy fenntartod?

kétlem , hogy bárki magyar komolyan támogatna magyar klánt. =(
ha lesz benne reklám én ott leszek. 😉 ezért is csinálok egy game portált inkább cikkekkel ,videókkal. erre remélhetõleg lesz igény.

még nem, de szerintem lesz abban pénz

mondjuk nem itthon :/

meg ha egyáltalán itthon létezik is profi (volt dota, jelenlegi hon) klán, arra már lecsapott más 😊

Hogy is értve? 😊

Te már eladtad magad! ;D

o_O

megbeszéléstõl függ. honos klánban nem látok elég reklámot viszont a hamarosan induló honlapra keresek olyat akik híreznénk egy kevés pénzért.

hon-os klánokat nem támogatsz?😄 amúgy mivel támogatod a nagyérdemût?😊

hmm azért egyedül se lehetetlen. én 1700felett vagyok már nagyon régen.
az most a gondom, hogy 2 acc kéne. 1 funra 1 meg jó statot tartani meg komoly gamékhez. így hogy funolok nem megyek feljebb a statom meg ált kiröhögik a vérpistik. =(

noob

(bocs : D)

én nem hisztizek 1570-rõl 1272-re estem vissza 😊 Welcome in HON<#integet2> Két három fix tag nélkül nehéz szerintem ebbe a játékban az 1650+ kategória fölé kerülni, full random csapatban nagyon gyakran van 1-2 tök ügyetlen ember. 1300-1500 között meg hagy ne minõsítsem milyen játékosok vannak <#buck> Volt egyszer amikor egy nagyon jó matchban továbbmentem két illetõvel 8 meccset nyertünk meg egymás után a trióval a 8 meccsbõl 7 feladta 15 perc után, szóval csak fix társakat kell szerezni 😊

egyedül nem iszik az ember sört, jössz? : )

egy gázkamra sarka lesz. 😊

Mármint a vérsírást? 😛

enyje, de nem bírja valaki a vérszívást 😞

ha szerzel nekem valahonnan egy doboz Efest, én bármilyen sarokba beülök

Inkább az a sírás, amit most ti csináltok, de mind1.