FIFA 06

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Breki33
#2662
valaki nem akarja lefordítani? P
Breki33
#2661
GAMEPLAY CHAT LOG
We recently held a great online chat with Marcel, one of the FIFA 06 Producers, and James, Worldwide Product Manager on FIFA. There were some great questions from people attending and plenty of answers to go with them. Without further ado, here's the chat log for those who weren't able to be there:

EAUK_Protagonist - To start with, we'll have some introductions from our two guests this evening, Marcel and James. Guys, how about a quick overview of what your roles are in FIFA 06?
Marcel EA - Hi all - first of all I am really happy to see you all here...concerning my role, I am a Producer for FIFA 2006.
JP339 - Hey nice meeting you Marcel
smart88 - hi
EAUK_Protagonist - James - a quick intro?
James EA - Hi there - I work as the WW Product Manager on the FIFA & FIFA Street games.
EAUK_Protagonist - (WW = worldwide)
James EA - yep!
Emiel - hi
EAUK_Protagonist - We'll start off with some general questions to warm up then we'll move onto gameplay, which is why we're all here.
EAUK_Sentience - Okay, first question - Does FIFA 06 have the Nike license this year? If so, what's licensed? Boots? Balls? Kits?
Marcel EA - We can confirm that we will have the authentic Nike balls in Fifa 2006.
Dukey - yay
Gurdz666 - woo hoo
DazWaldron07 - does this mean the nike ticks will be on the shirts?
Marcel EA - Unfortunately we still can't show the prefect representation on the kits, this means they will be the same as last year (with updated design / colors of course)...
Dukey - atleast you tried
Newbold - as you dont have the nike license for the shirts, does that mean you've had to modify the kits very slightly so you dont conflict with copyright etc?
Marcel EA - The kit designs are authentic to the design and colors, but we are unfortunately not able to fully show the Nike Logo due to copyright issues.
EAUK_Protagonist - okay thanks
EAUK_Sentience - Next question - How many new stadiums are there? What are they?
Marcel EA - FIFA 2006 will feature 44 stadiums in total...that means we added another 12 this year.
EAUK_Sentience - Here is the current full list of the stadiums in 2006
Gurdz666 - thats great
JP339 - thanks sentience
da premiership - When will a PC demo be released for download (approximately?)
James EA - We're currently tracking to have all demos out for launch of the game. That also includes the PC demo which will be downloadable from the EA SPORTS FIFA 06 site.
EAUK_Protagonist - Thanks James. We'll move onto gameplay now, which is the key focus for many FIFA players
EAUK_Sentience - Is dribbling improved? If so, how? Will players make more realistic turns now dependent on speed?
smart88 - Gamplay question, Did you improve dribbling? If so, how? Will players make turns in more realistic angles now? For example, players making turns in tighter angles when running at speeds.
EAUK_Protagonist - Another take on the same question
Marcel EA - FIFA 2006 is completely based on attributes, so you will see a really accurate representation of the real live dribbling skills of certain players.
EAUK_Protagonist - how will that work? Is it now viable to take the ball around defenders?
James EA - We actually have pace control this year. So when attacking, if you find yourself with only one player up in the attacking zone, use Pace Control or Shielding to slow down the game to create some time for support to come help. Shielding the ball will also help defend a hard fought lead by keeping possession of the ball with only minutes left on the clock.
Morpheus_FifaPolonia.pl - Will we be able to trick goalkeepers ?
jasondask - Is shielding done automatically? or do you use a button trigger?
EAUK_Protagonist - a couple of quick questions there to follow up
Marcel EA Yes, really skilled players be able to trick the goal keeper. However the goalkeepers have improved a lot so they will be a fait amount smarter.
James EA - FIFA 06 now includes a variety of new controls and that includes shielding. You can use R2 to control the ball more precisely when dribbling. Also, pull off defence-splitting 'one-twos' to breakdown the opposition and get through on goal by holding down L1 when passing to a team mate. Careful timing will see the original player run forward to another position to receive the return pass.
EAUK_Protagonist - how will the player stats make it obvious that a player is world class or sunday league class? can you do more with Ronadinho than Bob Smith, for example?
Marcel EA - All players in FIFA 2006 will be grouped into various playing styles, if they have the specifically needed skill set that is. Take C. Ronaldo, with his speed and dribbling abilities he would be an "Attacking Winger". On top of that combining multiple players will enable you to pull-off great team plays.
gab - Is OTB going to be included this time? I'm asking because 90% of online users abuse it to win, and it's not fair to the rest of the players.
Marcel EA - James is just following up on the "Team Plays" after that we can go on to OTB.
James EA - When you take this to a another level we also have something called Team Chemistry this year. Sometimes good Team Chemistry can make up for lack of skill - keep that in mind when you choose your favourite team. Every player has a specific skill-set to fill a certain position on the pitch. Keep an eye on a players' preferred position to use them to their fullest potential. Playing a member of your squad out of position will only impair his performance and reduce the effectiveness of the team as a whole.
blink182 - will it actually have an effect?
James EA - yep. Some teams have great stats on paper but not so good team chemistry. This means you need to keep an eye on the performance meter which is located next to the Score Display - it shows you how well your team is playing at a glance. Poor play or bad misses will affect the team. Missed PK's can have a crippling effect on your team's morale. Make sure you use the chance to turn a spot kick into a goal. If you have a good team chemistry and balance in your side you can control the pace of the game better.
Gullbag - thats much better
gab - this is awsome news, that would be a great add on
Newbold - im liking the idea of the performance meter!
ArgSccRplYr8 - how do you improve your team chemistry?
Marcel EA - Here we're opening a completely new topic :-).
Marcel EA - Team Chemistry will play a major role in the "Manager Mode".
EAUK_Protagonist - aha, we'll go into greater depth on manager mode in another chat session
EAUK_Protagonist - for now, let's back up to the off-the-ball question
Marcel EA - We observed the OTB ball abuse as well, and removed it for this year's game. Main reason is that we've completely rewritten formation and running patterns. You won't need to use OTB control to get a player into open space anymore, they will be smart enough to do so by themselves.
JP339 - that is amazing
gafatasary - Great News!
fiJoshh - i never used it so im happy whit it 😊
Gurdz666 - thats great news, OTB was the biggest waste of a feature
DazWaldron07 - that iss smart
EAUK_Protagonist - a popular choice
Gullbag - superb
EAUK_Protagonist - We touched on goalkeepers earlier on, if we could return to them for a moment
EAUK_Protagonist - two questions -
breamster - Will goalkeepers run out more often and can they take down the attacker? giving away penalties and being sent off?
jasondask - Goalkeepers have been said to be improved. Do they occasionally fumble the ball and drop it (not punt away) but as in like roy caroll and heaps of other keepers doand make innocent mistakes, and do some keepers even have that personality? e.g. caroll? (meaning we can take that into incorporation, and if all else fails, try and aim for a spill)
da premiership - From the videos, we can see that the goalkeeper animations have been improved. What about the goalie AI and reflexes, how are they improved? One video (rooney's goal) showed that the goalie wasn't positioned well and he missed an easy save. So will this be fixed in the final version? Further more, plenty of times in FIFA 2005 a keeper would come out and 'take down' a player while getting the ball. Is it now possible for the keeper to miss the ball as they dive to collect catching the striker resulting in a penalty?
EAUK_Protagonist - another point to consider
Marcel EA - Goalkeepers were in the focus this year, they will be able to perform many more actions...like punching the ball out of the box or diving after rebounds. They will be much quicker to get up after they made a save.
Gurdz666 - will they be sent off if they bring an attacker down ???
Nickclubman - Can they get injured and substituted? Will the CPU sub the goalkeeper?
Marcel EA - Goalies are able to rush the oncoming attacker and bring him down, this will cause penalty kicks if it's inside the box.
fiFranky - but can they get a red card?
Marcel EA - The truth is they can't due to technical difficulties - this is something that bugs me as well and it is high on the list of improvements for next year.
fiFranky - that is a shame, but i hope it will be in fifa 07 😉
Gurdz666 - atleast we get a penalty out of it
da premiership - thats sad to hear as it would be a further great imrpovement in that area
James EA - we appreciate your feedback
James EA - It will be on the list for next year
EAUK_Protagonist - Moving on from goalkeeping a little -
EAUK_Sentience - How does the new free kick system work in terms of putting direction/curl/power on the ball? And can we change the kick taker after a foul?
GIJSCHELSEA - Are the penalties changed?
EAUK_Protagonist - another related question
Marcel EA - First of all I want to mention that the free kick system will be completely new in FIFA 2006 - James, do you have a further explanation how it will exactly work?
James EA - Use Free Practice to hone your footballing skills. Reduce the number of opponents to master the trick moves without being pressurised. Work on your shooting while running to achieve the perfect level of power and direction.
Corner practice gives you the opportunity to test various levels of power and direction to best suit your formation. Learn how to deliver the ball into the area and find unmarked players.
You can also practice your shooting skills from a set piece. Try to stop the power bar in the blue area when shooting for most accuracy. Push forward on the right analog stick to increase the trajectory of the shot. Pull back on the analog stick to decrease the trajectory. Remember that lofted shots with a higher trajectory have a slower velocity while and are easier to stop. A lower trajectory will have increased speed and be harder for the goalkeeper to stop but will be less likely to clear the defensive wall.
Ok this is a more intuitive system
gerberoo - Is there more than one animation for freekicks and/or penalties and/or corners or any other new player specific animations this year?
JP339 - This is something totally different from previous fifa games!!! I can't wait to get my hands on it. I think it improves the game even more
Marcel EA - As for penalties - we noticed the lack of options and have added various shot types, i.E. you will be able to simple perform a slick "Chip Shot" to fool the goalkeeper.
jasondask - is the placement of penalties completely manual and free, or are we restritected to a few key spots (like last year)?
Gators625 - Do corners work the same way as free kicks?
EAUK_Protagonist - as another followup on this subject
Marcel EA - With the new shot types come new options to place the ball, an inside foot curl will give you a much more accurate shot then an full power shot.
James EA - Corner kicks and free kicks follow the same princples yes
da premiership - Are we able to play a short corner such as in UCL?
Marcel EA - Definitely, to be authentic you need a variety of passes / passing options. You can perform a short corner, even call a man to come close to receive a short corner.
JAnders - cool
gafatasary - Or to throw them off
Gullbag - that was a good decision to add that feature
TheLegend - That is very cool
EAUK_Protagonist - another subject move, onto weather and shirts....
EAUK_Sentience - Can some players have long sleeves? Will weather influence this? Will weather also affect other areas of the game such as player movement?
JP339 - what about .What are the weather modes in FIFA 06? Will the weather change (like in NASCAR) from rainy to cloudy and back to rainy (or from heavy rain to light rain) during the match? And will players wear gloves and/or long sleeves in cold/rainy weather? Adding to this, does the weather have a direct effect upon the pitch and how the game plays?
EAUK_Protagonist - a follow up
Gurdz666 - is there dynamic weather in fifa06? will the weather effect the players and gameplay? for example if its cold or snowy, most players wear gloves and full sleeves, and also in a rainy game, the ball will move slower and theres more chance of miss timing a tacke. since i talked about snow. is there snow in the game?
Marcel EA - Big win on the authenticity side - players will be able to have short and long sleeves. We even went the extra step to ensure that specific players that always have short sleeves (i.E. Cassillas or Barthez) in our game. This is thanks to our database managers who provided us with that data.
DazWaldron07 - will there be an option to have tucked and un-tucked shirts?
mh - Great work DB team! ;-)
Marcel EA - We won't support untacked shirts as it is a rule in soccer to have you shirt tucked in at all time...part of the "uniform"...
gafatasary - Some players are rebels then :|
Quincy Owusu - well, that's good thinking!
EAUK_Protagonist - Onto weather then?
Marcel EA - Sure. Concerning weather there will be more options (and the night stadiums won't be locked this time ;-)). There will be 6 available weather settings, ranging from "Sunset" to "Rainy Night".
breamster - sunny to dark as the game progresses?
alexmula - will there be snow ?
blink182 - can we choose what type of weather we can play in?
EAUK_Sentience - A few follow on questions there.
Marcel EA - The weather will be static, we were not able to support dynamic weather changes.
Dukey - will players react to the cold etc - eg. poorer performance?
da premiership - in addition to dukes question, does the temperature affect the number of players wearing long sleeves?
Marcel EA - Snow these days is a rare occurrence these days (heated pitches) therefore we decided to leave it out.
blink182 - too bad
Gullbag - understandable
gafatasary - Ah, I was hoping for Snow 😞
Marcel EA - I'd be happy to hear your opinion though if we should include at / if you think it is a vital part of the game. We can consider it for next year if there is a need for it.
gafatasary - I don't feel It's Vital - I just think It's one of the smaller additions that would add on to make a greater game
blink182 - yes, we'd really like that
Marcel EA - Oh, missed one - can you choose the weather setting...
Nickclubman - dynamic weather would create a much more interesting game.
jasondask - I think it would be more novelty then vital...maybe an unlockable?
Marcel EA - ...yes in "Play now" (which is called "Kick-off" now) you will be able to choose the weather setting. In the career mode, cup games that happen during the week will be played at night while weekend games will be played during daylight.
Gullbag - nice attention to detail
gerberoo - nice touch
fi.RobertoCarlos - That's a great idea!
fireshadow2669 aka minesh - thats more relaistic
Marcel EA - We will watch out for the "Snow" or general "Weather" discussions in the forums for next year - thanks for your feedback.
EAUK_Sentience - A new question then. Has First Touch been improved? Some FIFA 06 videos show players still pushing the ball way ahead. Will this be fixed?
Gurdz666 - in fifa05, when i pushed the ball ahead, 80% of the time i was disposesed
Marcel EA - Yes - there are more animations and options for the first touch feature...many more ways to trap the ball as well. Context sensitivity was a major focus - players will use their heads, chests and feet to perform first touches.
gerberoo - is it in any way related to the velocity of a pass then?
Marcel EA - Again FIFA 2006 will be based on attributes, first touch quality is based on a player attribute. If this attribute is high the first touch will be excellent and the ball won't be pushed ahead too much...if the attribute is low, then you might loose the ball more frequently.
EAUK_Protagonist - We're running low on time here, so we'll go with three short (but interesting) questions to round things off for this session -
EAUK_Sentience - First up, is it true FIFA 94 is an unlockable?
James EA - Yep it's true!!! We have the original FIFA 94 retro game in the PS2 version of the game. Its very cool.
Dukey - wicked
Quincy Owusu - Yes, i got a ps2!!
fireshadow2669 aka minesh - thats a great unlockable
EAUK_Sentience - Can you save replays on consoles?
Marcel EA - You can...it is a new feature on PS2 and Xbox.
Gurdz666 - wooooooooo hoooooooooooooo
Gators625 - How large is each saved replay?
Marcel EA - I have no specific save file size, but you are able to fit a couple of them on your regular memory card (PS2) / your harddrive (Xbox).
EAUK_Protagonist - Last question for today, although we will be sending more questions from this session and the forum thread to be answered in the next few days
EAUK_Sentience - An ever popular question here - has goal net movement been improved?
Marcel EA - Oh yeah...the goal net should bulge in a much more realistic way this year. This effect is even better combined with several new replay/highlight angles we're offering for FIFA 2006.
JP339 - nice I was looking foward to that!!!! Thanks. 😊
ESL-Trigun - Sounds great 😊
da premiership - can we see the nets move during normal gameplay?
smart88 - new highlight angles sound great 😊
Marcel EA - yes - this is not limited to highlights or replays
da premiership - fantastic!!
shawuan - good
Quincy Owusu - yes!!!!!!!
EAUK_Protagonist - That about rounds it off for today. We'll be holding another chat soon. Stay tuned to the site for details.
JJ_FifaPeru - we need the PC Requirements 😞
EAUK_Sentience - We'll have the PC requirements nearer to release as happened last year.
smart88 - thank u sen
Gurdz666 - so the demoes will be out the same time as the actual game?
EAUK_Protagonist - but that might move, demo's always shift around a little
EAUK_Sentience - Bye guys, thanks for joining the chat.


Breki33
#2660
#2040 -tõl olvasd
Rudee
#2659
Nem.

Szar Bayern, szar Bayern :)

csum666
#2658
Nem mer nem tom hol írtad..

Hajrá ALBACOMP HAJRÁ MAGYAROK

Breki33
#2657
NIKE TAMOIL SANPAOLO VITA látszik adboardként

ESetleg a Sky Sport is jó lenne
Breki33
#2656
Na kész vannak a Juve-s reklámtáblák



Breki33
#2655
de nem toligálod?

Kijött egy patch a Bayernhez márcsak rendes Manchester mez kéne
Rudee
#2654
Szögletél védekezéskor is A-t és D-t nyomom.

Szar Bayern, szar Bayern :)

Breki33
#2653
Breki33
#2652
milyen teknika?
Breki33
#2651
34 megás demó

klik
Forrest Gump
#2650
Tegnap végre sikerült egy szabadrúgást bevágni.
Forrest Gump
#2649
Köszi, lehet megpróbálom!
Breki33
#2648
Engem az érdekel hogy lehet szögletnél megfogni a csatárt, has kicsit is megnyomom az analógot az emberem elszalad mellõle.
Breki33
#2647
a védekezõ rendszert amit írtam használod?
Breki33
#2646
EZ a te véleményed.

Sztem egy jól megcsinált gif nagyon jól mutat és fórumban célszerûbb mint avi-kat linkelgetni.
Breki33
#2645
Hát én magamtól tanultam

tök egyszerû a Fraps és az Animation Shop kezelése is.

DE ha van türelmed az fh-n a régi Fifa topicban soxor leírtuk

Röviden

1. avi készítése FRapsal (F9) max 20-30 mega legyen
2. Animatiot shop-ra ráhuz (elkég minden második frame indulásnál)
2, CROP-al körbevág
4. Elment másként megnézve méretet szükség esetén resize illetva vágás.
5. Mentés másként, méretnézés optimalizálás. (Aviban lehet különbözõ codecel tömöríteni)
6. HA egy mega körül vagy jól csináltad hamég látszik is profi munka.
Persze az az igazi ha minõségromlás nélkül 500k
csum666
#2644
kösz de mgé mások is mondhatnak okosságokat..

Hajrá ALBACOMP HAJRÁ MAGYAROK

Rudee
#2643
Ha kerget a védõ, akkor a futás mellett néha nyomd meg a shiftet. Ha szembe vagy vele, akkor meg cselezz, passzok elõtt meg nyomd a Q-t. Esetleg passzold vissza a kaputól 25-30 méterre élló embernek, onnan lehet lõni kapásból is. Szögletnél A-val tudod lerázni a védõt.

Szar Bayern, szar Bayern :)

csum666
#2642
Bazzki hihetetlen de nem tudok gólt rugni a játékba....
Ha 1edül visze ma védõk befutna ksé elvezsik ha meg a gépnél van a labda nem tom szerelni hát röhelyes... adnátok pár tippet hogy támadjak ill védekezzek mien gombokkal... eccerûn télleg a gé pemg tartaj a lbdát vissazfele fut csak cselez és nem értem a kapura 1általán esélyem sincs mer befurtnak és simán elvezsik HELP ME!!! 2005be high skill voltam

Hajrá ALBACOMP HAJRÁ MAGYAROK

Rudee
#2641
Igen.

Szar Bayern, szar Bayern :)

Forrest Gump
#2640
wc.-on tolod Rudee?
Forrest Gump
#2639
ÁÁÁH, nem vagyok én egy számtech genius😄
Azt sem tudom, hogy kezdjek neki.
Rudee
#2638
Ez a Rúni egy jó nagy béna. Megin 2 ziccert hagyott ki, így csak 1-1lett 20 perc alatt. Kész lehetne már a patch, hogy Ronaldoékkal ostromozzam a kaput.

Szar Bayern, szar Bayern :)

mohus
#2637
az meg még tanulságosabb hogy hányszor találtad el a kaput belõle...

de ez jónak tûnik korábbi verzióban az automata lövéssel 100%-os is lehettél....

FPS-t,RTS-t,Sturmovikot PC-n a többit konzolon![Delli7] [PS4] [Note 10.1 2014ed][iPhone6s16gb]

mohus
#2636
inkább digizz videót...4-5MB-ból megvan

ezek a gifek inkább a disney rajzfilmbe valók...és a frame rate is adja azt ami a gémben van

FPS-t,RTS-t,Sturmovikot PC-n a többit konzolon![Delli7] [PS4] [Note 10.1 2014ed][iPhone6s16gb]

Forrest Gump
#2635
Valahol le van írva ez a gif készítés?
Rengeteg a kapufa, nektek is?
A 2005-be is volt dögivel mondjuk.
koki44
#2634
Még mindig nem találtam megoldást a menü ugrálásra. Ez a soccergaming fórumán volt de nem mindent értek pontosan a hiányos angol tudásomnak köszönhetõen. Valaki le tudná fordítani mi a lényege?
Well after a little experementation ive worked out how to fix this problem....

Here it is step by step....

1) Open up Fifa 06 demo, then minimise it (ALT+ TA😎

2) Press start and then go into the control pannel

3) go to performance and maintainance..... then system

4) a box should pop up, click on the hardware tab

5) open up the device manager

6) click the + next to "Human Interface Devices"

7) now its down to tiral and error keep on disableing things and swiching bettween fifa06 and the device manager, eventually you will disable the ting causing the problem. (just remember not to disable your keyboard and mouse)

for myself i disabled everything bar by usb keyboard and mouse and the demo worked perfectly......


p.s some of the steps in this guide may be different for others as ppl have different versions of xp and different menu set-ups bu aslong as you can get the device manager up you can work fro step

If you need any more info just ask!

I found this on Ea Forum!

jAsOn VoOrHeEs
#2633
Stadium Importer 06 Demo - do not download untill it's fixed

Some users have reported a bug when using SI 06 Demo, for now, please do not download it untill we fix this problem, thank you very much, FIFA Web Portal Staff. <#vigyor0>

Real Madrid Club de Fútbol | FIFA Award - Best Club XX Century

Breki33
#2632
Kezdes kisebbségbe kerülni a reakciók alapján P

nem bonyolult gif-et csinálni.

Igaz jót már nehezebb énse vagyok mindig megelégedve az enyimmel.

Ja azért Barca mert még õket bírom.
Még nem viszont mikor a 45. percben berúgtam a 6-at mutatták Valdezt a hálón keresztül hogy veszettül tapsol.
Forrest Gump
#2631
Megváltozott a véleményem, egyre jobban tetszik a game😊
Elég sok gólt rugok már,mindenfélét, igaz visszavettem prora a nehézséget.
Kár hogy nem tudok ilyen giffet csinálni😞
Látom Breki Barcával nyomod, Eto mellúszós gólöröme volt már?<#vigyor0>
báttyó02
#2630
azt probáld meg öcsi

Pierre Van Hooijdonk - Djibril Cissé - Go Gunners - F.F.F -

Breki33
#2629
Tanulságos

51-11-es kapuralövés

Utolsõ percben két gólt lõve fordítok

Taccklesrõl nemis beszélve.
Breki33
#2628
Scholes18
#2627
Na de tényleg segítsetek már mer kénytelen leszek szétfloodolni a topicot a Banom után újreggel pedig újra... <#mf2>

Glory Glory Man United!!

Breki33
#2626
igen én
Scholes18
#2625
"kultûrát"
Te mondod?<#hehe>

Glory Glory Man United!!

Breki33
#2624
kis kultûrát
Scholes18
#2623
nekem is ugyanilyen van!!!
Rohadt idegesítõ bazmeg! Nekem teljesen vezetéknélküli egerem van + bill is az. nem tom mi lehet. <#phone>

Glory Glory Man United!!

Breki33
#2622
Szval Ancelotti leszedi a fejét P

Két bakit csinált
Breki33
#2621
Ja amúgy ez olyan gól volt hogy a kipattanónál a menteni igyekvõ védõn felperdült és így ment be kapus meg hiába zárta alul.......
Breki33
#2620
fogd a kezedbe a gamepadod nyomd le a lövég gombot

tudod közban húzni a jobb analógot?

Esetleg utánna
Breki33
#2619
sokaknál csinálja ezt fõleg a prohardveren

zöbbször elmondtam, hogy beszéljétek meg, hogy mi azonos nálatok, de semelyik se reagált rá.

Én meg nem fogom kideríteni helyettetek.
Amúgy egyszerû kihúzod és megnézed......
grizzly21
#2618
no de melyiket a jobbot vagy a balt?

Breki33
#2617
visszaolvasás

tudtommal jelenleg nemis letölrhetõ

javítják P
grizzly21
#2616
na megvan a link:
FIFA BAJNOKSÁG

#2615
akkor miért csinálja ezt?
most volt format c 4napja

játékot sem tudom elindítani, mert szarakodik csapatválasztásnál! más játéknál még nem tapasztaltam ezt...

Fyrex
#2614
stadium importerrel beraktam a delle alpit de semmi változás

megoldás?

Avanti Crociati!

Breki33
#2613
nem nekem is az

igaz egyik legjobb P