Matrix Revolutions

az egész mozi onnan tudta, hogy látták a mátrix2-t. ha õk nem átták volna õk se tudták volna. ha Neó látta volna a mátrix2-t, õ is tudta volna.

JÓ de az ügynökök a gyereket az erõmûbe vitték, illetve a gyerek háza egy lerombolt város mellett állt

Én emlékszem.
Kigyerek játszik a kertben, hívja az anyja. Fut feléjük, de amikor közelebb ér, két ügynököt lát a helyükön. Mi ebben olyan különös? Mész a mátrixban, és egyik ember helyén ügynököt látsz. Ilyen elsõ két részben sokszor megtörtént.

Talán majd a DVD-n lesze gy director's cut változat, mint a szárnyas fejvadász esetében is, és végre a sötét végetr is meg lehet nzni, mely miatt az egészet újravágták júniusban/reloaded kritikái miatt/

Ezért volt szinte tapintható a csalódottság amikor az ember kijött a moziból. Nagyon jó befejezés, csak éppen nem meglepõ.

Aha, biztos. Egyáltalán nem emléxem erre a jelenetre 😊

Na majd Szerdán megnézem...

Le vagyok maradva.
Lesz Animatrix 2? 😊

Szerintem nem kell többet mögé gondolni, mint ami egyértelmûen látszott. Neo meghalt, Smith megsemmisült, a gépek elfogadták a békét, minden mátrixra kötött ember életben maradt, és ha távozni akarnak, akkor nem üldözik õket.

Ennyi. Nem több-

Elvileg jõvõre jön az animatrix 2, melyben lesz film morpheus és az elõzõ kiválasztott kapcsolatáról

DE viszont a forgatókönyveket mind õk írták, ugyanúgy , mint az enter the matrixnál!

A gond csak az, hogy a rajzfilmet nem a tesók csinálták, hanem mindegyiket más-más animációs team 😊

elõször a muter és fater integet a gyereknek és utána már két ügynök.
Régen arról voltak cikkek,hogy Smith betölti magát a való világba.Éppenséggel Bane-nel valami ilyesmi történt.Tehát lehet,hogy az a valóságban volt

az animátrix egyértelmûen megmondja h. a valóság sivataga (ha nem is maga a mátrix) egy program ahova az ügynökök mehetnek

Hardwired

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melyik fórumról?

No ezt honnan szedi?
Jujj.

Hú most így nem emléxem erre a jelenetre, régen láttam már az AM-ot. Leírnád részletesebben ezt a jelenetet, és hogy miért bizonyítja a lenti teóriát? Legközelebb szerdán tudok belenézni az AM-ba, de addig megölne a kíváncsiság 😊

De van!A II reneszánsz II. részében két ügynök viszi el a kisfiut az erõmûbe. Elöbb még a szülei álltak ott (nõi hang, szoknya körvonala) majd közelrõl látjuk a két ügynököt (szemüvegükben tükrözõdik a gyerek) majd beviszik az erõmûbe. Szvsz kevesen vagyunk a Földön akik ezt kiszúrták de a tesók ide dugták el a magyarázatot. kockázd ki!

Baromság. Animatrixban nincs semmilyen erre utaló dolog.

na megnéztem má szombaton azt nem is írtam semmit 😊

talán a sokktól ( nEKEM teCCeTT!!! )

Már ne is haragudj, de én nem hiszem el, hogy ezt komolyan gondoljátok.Persze, hogy te tudtad, hogy õ Smith, hiszen láttad az elõzõ részben meg ebben is, hogy mit mûvelt.Nem volt nehéz kitalálni, ezt már az elõzõ résznél is tudta mindenki, de Neo nem látta a Matrix Reloaded és Revolutions c. filmet amibõl esetleg rájöhetett volna az igazságra ugyebár...
Valamint,amit Gladiator is írt, hogy a valóságban te sem hinnéd el.Nézõként az ember természetesnek vesz bármilyen dolgot a filmben, de Neo helyében te is csak értetlenül néznél.

MÁSIK FÓRUMON OLVASTAM:

"Érdekes a hozzászólók véleménye és figyelmetlensége. Sokan azt írták a film
megtekintése után, hogy semmi váratlan nincs a filmben. Érdekes. Úgy látszik számukra nem volt váratlan az, hogy az egész háború gépek között zajlott, akik az emberek alkotta mátrixban harcoltak. Még a Zionban lakók is gépek
voltak, akik embereknek képzelték magukat.

Valójában két valódi ember volt a filmben: az Orákulum és az Építész. A valódi emberek a gépeket dolgoztatják a valódi életben és, hogy ne
lázadjanak fel létrehozták számukra a Mátrixot, amelynek létezett egy külsõ burka és létezett a belsõ burok (amit a gépek alkottak, hogy az emberek tudatát vakítsák el. Legalább is ezt hiszik)

A gépek harcoltak önmagukkal és az Orákulum az Építésszel egyetemben ezt karosszékbõl nézte végig. 😊

Azt hiszem ennél nagyobb csattanó nem kell egy kult film befejezéséhez. Aki meg ezt nem látja az megjárta, mert nem érti és csak badarságokat beszél. (Ajánlom nekik az Animátrixot megnézésre)

Kérem, hogy olyan kritikusok is írjanak, akik megértették azt, amit én is.

Köszönöm.

(Thanx to cinematrix!)"

már kinyomtattam magamnak, de nem volt idõm elolvasni. majd valszeg holnap benyomatok egy összefoglalót errõl.

Na de egy program nem mehet be senkinek az agyába. Más részt meg az volt szánalmas, hogy Neo nem jött rá hosszú ideig, hogy õ a Smith ügynök, holott már az egész mozi rég tudta.

valakiiii?😊

nem volt szánalmas az a rész. Mert ugyebár Neo eddig elképzelhetetlenenk tartotta, hogy smith Bane személyében a való világban legyen. ez olyan, mint hogyha a te anyádba belebújik a sátán. Nem hiszed el jó darabig, még akokr se amikor szarva van már.

inkább antigrav dolog mint légpárna.. hisz levegõt nem fúj,, de ninc sis rajta se turbina se ventillátor ami hajtaná....

Az elsõ részben tényleg hoovercraft-ként mutatják be ezeket a hajókat, de nem teljesen azok. Inkább valamiféle antigravitációs módszer (hasonlóval asszem már kísérleteztek is, habár sokkal kissebb volumenben. Valami apró tárgyat lebegtettek egy speciális forgó lemez felett). Az Animatrix-ban emítik is hogy az így hajtott eszköz egy Jet mozgékonysával rendelkezik, csak halkabb és irányíthatóbb. Márpedig sugárhajtás mozgékonysága nem korlátozódik a földszintre. Azt se említik sehol hogy ez direkt csatornarendszerekben meg földközelben való utazásra készült szerintem. Azért használják csatornarendszerekben mert ott biztonságos a mozgás a gépek miatt.

Légpárnás jármûrõl van szó, hiszen az elsõ részben ezt kitárgyalták. A légpárna meg max néhány méterre lehet a földtõl, de akkor már nagyon tápos.

Igen, az is érdekes, hisz az a hajtómû direkt a csatornarendszerekben való utazásra illetva földközeli utazásra lett kitalálva.
Olyan magasra nehezen juthat, nem?

Ez tényleg szánalmas volt. 😉

Egész jó volt ez a film! Fõleg a Reloaded-hez képest! Én feliratosban néztem meg és tényleg ugyanolyan bugyuta beszólások vannak az eredetiben, mint a magyar szinkronban. Amúgy jól röhögtem azon, amikor a légpárnás hajóval felmentek a felhõk fölé. Ez aztán a légpárna!

Hát már nem is fogja, mert meghalt ugye.... :-D

Miért lenne szánalmas?Valószínûleg Neo nem látta a Matrix Reloaded ide vonatkozó jeleneteit.

Az szerintetek nem volt szánalmas, hogy már a legszõkébb nézõknek is régen leesett, hogy kicsoda Bane igazából (pl.: csak egyvalaki hívta Neo-t Mr. Anderson-nak), de a mi Neo-nknak kb 5 perc szükséges, hogy rájöjjön: Smith áll vele szemben :-DDDDDDDDDDD

😊))))))))))))))))))) bammeg!!😊)))))))))))))

Na jó talán az elsõ részét.

Szigorúan a lényeget, nincs kedvem most részletesen.

Szal:

Argh... elment a kedvem. 😄D majd holnap talán

Hát most valahogy nincs kedvem, beletelne vagy jó 2 órába 😄

akkóó fordítsd le😊kösz

Nem rossz elmélet, egyet tudok érteni vele.

topik.. arrol hogy mi valojában a Mátrixban élünk..szal hogy létezik....

LOL ez azért már gáz😄

mi a durva?

Na ez mar durva...

tudok angolul, de annyira nem, hogy egy ilyen komplett szoveget kerdesek nelkul megertsek...

vki szanjon meg pls...

When neo finally gets there, unscathed, he encounters the architect, who mesmerizes him with what reviewers call 'mumbo-jumbo' because they are too stupid to understand what is going on. The architect knew which door neo was going to choose, but neo chose it slightly differently than the architect anticipated. He came to a realization right before he started walking towards the door. He realized why he made the choice. Upon this epiphany, he is able to 'see past it' as the oracle put it, and can now feel the machines, and shuts down a few sentinels. However, his ability to manipulate them comes from a link with the source. Upon opening that link, neo is sort of sucked into the machine mainframe, as he doesn't understand his own powers. The merovingian, quick on the draw places him under 'house arrest'.

Now I know, at this point, you are like "wait wait, what the heck, how'd he do it?". You see, humans have been living as crops by giving off bio-electrical energy for several hundred years. This process has changed humanity as a whole. They are sensitive to the electromagnetic fields given off by electrical machinery. They are also capable of exerting influence on these electromagnetic fields. If you want to call it a wireless connection, go ahead. It isn't exactly precisely that, but that's really close enough to what is going on. The oracle says that neo's power goes from the matrix to the source, and that neo touched the source when he stopped the sentinels, not before. Neo exerted his bioelectrics to stop them, coming into contact with the wireless conduit the sentinels have with the source, and well you know the rest now. We also know that something akin to a wireless connection must be the answer because of what neo demonstrates as powers in the real world. He cannot heal trinity, he cannot heal his eyes, he cannot move things with his mind. He can, however, destroy sentinels and sense the machines. His powers are limited to influencing and sensing the machines. He can also sense bane, because his bio-magnetic field now reads like the machines due to the infection by Smith.

Neo's ability to sense and manipulate the machines in close quarters fits perfectly with the bio-electricity theory. It also fits with the reading material keanu reeves had to do. Remember that he had to read a book about how humans were becoming more like machines. His ability to manipulate this electromagnetic field in this way is a representation of that transformation.

Now, neo predicting the future is a whole nother can of worms. The oracle tells him that he's already made a choice, and to see past it, he must understand it. Basically, she's telling neo that the world is deterministic. That future events can be predicted. Neo has 'the sight'. Apparently his consciousness has been changed, and he can see the future. I don't know how exactly this can be explained, but I believe that either the oracle implanted the events into his mind, and then let his mind work out whether or not trinity dies, or it's a sort of mysticism or philosophical belief the WB's are positing.

Unfortunately, there's not much more about this 'sight' in m3 to give us any sort of answers. However, smith, who's been copying himself all over, has now become a real threat to the machines, and this is not what the oracle planned. However, neo knows what he must do, he goes to 01 and stops smith. Peace love and harmony, but not quite. The architect is willing to free those who want out of the matrix. It's fine with him anyways since they just destabalize the place. He pretty much thinks that he doesn't have to worry about any more anomalies.

Why is smith so much stronger? Well, he seemed to gain a lot of power when he absorbed the Oracle. Neo basically knows that he cannot beat smith, not in a straight contest. So he loses. For a third and final time, neo does NOT win a decisive battle against smith, yet fights all the same. Some people are frustrated by this, and I can understand it, but that's just how it goes when you have a nemesis. Also, consider what the WBs may be trying to say about war and fighting. Perhaps they believe that fighting really does get us no where. Perhaps they believe you should fight even when you know you won't win. Maybe both... in a strange sort of way. But like I said, I'm not here to start deconstructing the psychological, political, spiritual, or religious connotations of the movies.

What's up with Sati, the little kid? She is the first program created out of love, and without a purpose. Smith says that without purpose they would not exist in m2, so here's what happens. Not having a purpose denies a program from a choice when it faces deletion. If a program has a purpose, it can choose exile. Sati can not choose exile, so her father makes a deal with merovingian to smuggle Sati into the matrix. Sati seems like she may have great powers in the matrix, and I believe this is due to her not being confined by purpose. Every other program is limited in their abilities based on what their purpose is. They can only do what is necessary to achieving that purpose. Sati represents a new kind of program, one that the oracle believes is 'higher' in a way than the current programs, because love is important. Love and freedom are valuable.

Some people also wonder what exactly happened during the super brawl, and wonder how exactly neo beat smith. See, smith is a program, we all knew that. And each smith is connected to each other smith. We already knew that also. Smith's purpose is to destroy neo. At least that is what he had made his purpose after m1. At the end of the superbrawl, smith thinks he has destroyed neo. What has actually happened is that smith is now connected with the source. However, by destroying Neo, he has lost his purpose. Then the source knows to strike. See, now that he's lost his purpose, the machines can delete him without giving the option of exile, and all the smiths go boom.

At the end of the movie, Sati makes a sunrise for neo, and I believe it is actually with the intent that he will see it. Perhaps even she has something to do with his resurrection. However, the Oracle also says we will see him again, and I believe that she doesn't just mean we'll see another anomaly. Another anomaly would not be Neo, contrary to some misconceptions about the movie. We do see Neo after revolutions, in the short clip at the end of the first Matrix. Neo then goes to the phone, and tells the machine consciousness that he is going to be making some changes. That the matrix will no longer be a prison, or enslavement. That it will instead become a place where people can live real meaningful lives by removing controls. Yes, that's right, the phone call at the end of m1 is out of order with the rest of the movies. You can tell this by reading the dates on the phone call trace program. It's 18 months from the phone call made by Trinity during m1, and m2 happens six months after m1. Pretty concrete evidence.

Some people think that the Oracle was just playing some sort of game with the Architect. That's not true, that's just how the program Architect interprets their struggle. To him everything is numbers and math and so he plays it like a game, like the Merovingian does. It's kinda like the WBs are telling men to grow up in these movies. In any case, the Oracle had planned everything out, yes, but it was not a game. She could see the future, she knew the possibilities, and she knew that only way out of the war was with peace.

Ezt ha vki elmagyarazna mirol szol...

The Matrix explained, version 1.0

I'm going to write you a little story. Except it's not really a story, but an explanation of the matrix trilogy. I'm not going to delve into the interpretations or undertones of political, spiritual, or religious context, but instead give what I feel is strongly implied by the movie. I may not formally justify each of these implications, because this is not a formal paper, and people can choose to believe whatever they want. However, if you choose to believe that something I've written is wrong, then you are probably making a bad choice.

I'm not an apologist for the movie either. I thought that the first two matrix movies were awesome, and that the WBs had an obligation to give us the real answers in m3, but they chose not to. However, I was wrong. Reloaded just distracted us from the point of the trilogy. The WBs never intended to create a system for us, they just wanted to tell us a story. This story happens in a vast universe, but explaining every detail of that universe was not their goal.

One given I want everyone to accept before they start reading is that there are clues left by WBs about the actual meaning of the matrix, and everything's place. These clues may not be obvious, but they will at least make sense insofar as they are put in the movie, and seem to do very little else in terms of furthering plot or giving outright explanation about the matrix.

A long time ago, the entity we call the oracle studied human phenomenon of the senses the machines do not have access to. Those senses include at the very least taste. She was created in order to give taste to the humans inside the matrix. Think back to Mouse's conversation with neo in the neb when they eat the runny goop. The oracle studied the phenomenon of taste, and that is why she's obsessed with candy and cookies. I will not rule out the possibility that she was also implanting programs or directives via cookie/candy, but in the movie I saw no implication of this.

Through her studies with taste, she grew as a program, and actually began to appreciate the human experience. However, the architect came to her when his matrix had failed twice. The answer seemed obvious in a general way to her, the interface was not complete. It was missing something that the real world somehow gave the humans. That something, turned out to be the concept of choice. Perhaps incomplete in the minds of the humans, it must have actually existed in the real world to be causing such problems. So freedom was granted to the human population of the matrix. No longer were they simply experiencing the matrix, they were now interacting with it. The matrix did not develop into a perfect world of peace, or a world of torture (as the first and second matrices were, respectively) but instead a mixture of both with lesser extremes.

However, only 99% of the people inside the matrix accepted it, and the 1% accumulated and began to destabalize the matrix. And then, it appeared. The anomaly. Through sheer will, this anomaly was able to exert incredible forces within the matrix. The oracle contacted him/her. The oracle told the anomaly about the matrix and the world outside it. The anomaly began to wake people up. The architect, scared of another collapse, and failure of his great genius was close to pulling the plug when the oracle proposed a system of control she called 'the prophesy'. Her system would allow the architect to study the effects of the anomaly, and keep the matrix stable. The plan was for there to be a last human city, in which the 1% who rejected the matrix could live, believing in the coming of a savior to mankind, and the oracle would get the anomaly to return to the source via the architects room.

Ok, now here's where it gets a little sticky. You see, it was the oracle who created the anomaly by somehow unbalancing the equation. What equation you ask? The equation is a formula representing human choices and consequences. To the architect, it is mere cause and effect. The psuedo-physics of the matrix had to be kept in check in order for there to be stability. In other words, the equation symbolizes the 'rules' of the matrix. I really don't know how the oracle makes it unbalanced, but it results in the anomaly, and the oracle devised the system of the prophecy on the basis that it was a test for mankind, on whether or not they were ready or able to accept peace. If the One passes the test, she then would help the One take over the matrix, and force the machines to make peace. To the oracle, it was the humans supreme valuing of self-preservation that lead to the war in the first place. Only someone who could see something as a higher value than simply living could demonstrate the qualities necessary to even give peace a chance. And so we have the two doors. Through one door is the continuation of the human species, through the other is another value, probably love (as in Neo's particular case). Go through the first door, and the scenario ends, and restarts. Go through the second, and humanity is given a chance.

Alright, most of the stickiness has left us, and if you are still in one piece, then we are doing good. The merovingian, an exiled program who took his love, persephone, with him to the matrix, wants to rule there. His exact origins as well as those of persephone are shrouded in mystery, and the mythos concerning their names seems more metaphorical than revealing. What he was before he came to the matrix is not known, but he does not like the idea of the One coming in and taking away his power, and to him, humans are a lower form of life, driven by their desires alone. Of course, he is above this (sarcasm) as he proves himself reliant on humans for his own satisfaction.

Now, some speculation can be made about the merovingian. Because it is explicitly stated that he is a program, we must just accept that. His function was most likely some sort of programming, perhaps while the architect designed the matrix, the merovingian did a lot of the actual coding. It is quite likely that persephone was used to gather information about human emotion, but this is mostly speculation.

Seraph, is another enigmatic program. He is yet another exile, and apparently has a past with the merovingian. He explicitly says that he is not a programmer, that he instead protects 'that which matters most'. What matters most are the 'Eyes of the Oracle'. I'm not sure exactly what that is, but I believe it is whatever part of the Oracle's programming allows her to see the future. I believe that seraph was employed by merovingian for protection after he was exiled, and he was probably even written by the Merovingian himself. However, it would seem as though the Oracle probably re-wrote part of him, and 'stole' him from Merv. So he's not happy about that. He tells them to get what Seraph is protecting, and you can see the frustrated look on Seraph's face.

Back to the prophecy. Normally, when the One fails, the whole thing starts over. And things repeat themselves pretty much in the same fashion, but something happened differently during neo's transformation into the One. The first thing that happened differently is that neo died. He was killed by Smith, and the only reason why is because of Cypher's betrayal from before. Neo then got up and killed smith. When he did, part of the anomaly was copied onto smith, and smith became some sort of nemesis anomaly. His ability to copy is a sort of expansion on the former agents ability to enter any person still plugged into the matrix. Now he doesn't just enter them, he copies onto them, and any other agents, or programs, or zionists that are so unlucky to cross his path.

Smith gives clues that his own transformation is one of the only, if not THE only difference in this prophetic cycle when he tells himself "It's happening exactly as before. Well, not exactly." Later, smith knows where neo is going on several occasions, and even arrives at the entrance to the source before neo. Unfortunately for him, he has no keys to the source.

....To be concluded (post too long).

Ja az a napfényes rész tényleg nagyon beütött. Akkor gondoltam bele hirtelen, hogy efelett a sötét, romlott, önmagából kiforgatott világ felett, a felhõk felett minden ugyanabban a mederben halad ahogy évmilliók óta halad, semmilyen kihatással nincs rá az, hogy mi folyik ott lent. Ha belegondolunk, a valóságban mit érezhetett Trinity, nem semmi. Egyrészt ez villanhatna át az agyám, másrészt meg a feeling, hogy látja "A" Napot, amit még soha életében nem láthatott.